Comments on: my thoughts on the whole gay marriage issue http://flexibletension.wordpress.com/2008/10/28/my-thoughts-on-the-whole-gay-marriage-issue/ learning to bend Thu, 28 May 2009 05:20:32 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Thad http://flexibletension.wordpress.com/2008/10/28/my-thoughts-on-the-whole-gay-marriage-issue/#comment-47 Thad Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:32:25 +0000 http://flexibletension.wordpress.com/?p=32#comment-47 This fight for gay marriage is purely about money. With equality and civil rights simply being tools used to accomplish this goal. It's too bad that almost everyone alive gets it wrong about marriage. What gay advocates are doing is trying to change gay marriage for their own selfish benefits. First off I want to say I'm not against gay couples getting into a relationship that has been democratically approved by a majority decision that has all the same rights as marriage. What I am against is how gay marriage advocates are saying they are being treated unfairly being denied "marriage rights" when they are absolutely not being denied such rights. They are trying to change something so fundamentally easy to understand for their own monetary benefit in the name of love. Which I think is a pretty dishonorable thing to try to do. Marriage is, and always has been a union between a "man and a woman". And any man or women human being can get married to each other. This is the "right to marry". It is not the right to marry who you "Love". It never was. In the past marriages where arranged, not necessarily to the one you loved, even in todays world some marriages are arranged. The only reason that any government would want to recognize and support a marriage of a man and a woman in any society is because of children. Children are the future of all of our societies, and supporting relationships that produces the future of that society monetarily makes sense. You'd be pretty stupid not too. Governments don't give financial support because you "love" someone, or because you stayed together and had sex with someone for years. Why would I want my tax dollars going to people merely having sex with each other for their own personal gain? How does our country benefit from a couple who produces no children, and therefore none of our countries future leaders? The answer is our country does not. So why should we financially support such a union? This fight for gay marriage is purely about money. With equality and civil rights simply being tools used to accomplish this goal.

It’s too bad that almost everyone alive gets it wrong about marriage. What gay advocates are doing is trying to change gay marriage for their own selfish benefits.

First off I want to say I’m not against gay couples getting into a relationship that has been democratically approved by a majority decision that has all the same rights as marriage.

What I am against is how gay marriage advocates are saying they are being treated unfairly being denied “marriage rights” when they are absolutely not being denied such rights. They are trying to change something so fundamentally easy to understand for their own monetary benefit in the name of love. Which I think is a pretty dishonorable thing to try to do.

Marriage is, and always has been a union between a “man and a woman”. And any man or women human being can get married to each other. This is the “right to marry”. It is not the right to marry who you “Love”. It never was. In the past marriages where arranged, not necessarily to the one you loved, even in todays world some marriages are arranged.

The only reason that any government would want to recognize and support a marriage of a man and a woman in any society is because of children. Children are the future of all of our societies, and supporting relationships that produces the future of that society monetarily makes sense. You’d be pretty stupid not too. Governments don’t give financial support because you “love” someone, or because you stayed together and had sex with someone for years. Why would I want my tax dollars going to people merely having sex with each other for their own personal gain?

How does our country benefit from a couple who produces no children, and therefore none of our countries future leaders?

The answer is our country does not. So why should we financially support such a union?

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]]> By: Kasha http://flexibletension.wordpress.com/2008/10/28/my-thoughts-on-the-whole-gay-marriage-issue/#comment-29 Kasha Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:13:56 +0000 http://flexibletension.wordpress.com/?p=32#comment-29 great post, megan. i tend to agree with you that folding queer relationships into the marriage paradigm is perpetuating a pretty messed up economic system that's generally keeping us all down. but i've been surprised over the years to find how emotionally impacted i am about the gay marriage issue. i've coincidentally lived in most of the states that have or are considering gay marriage: massachusetts, connecticut, californina, vermont almost has marriage and i kinda lived there for a while, and of course hawai'i thought about it back in the day. anyway, living in those states at the time they were considering gay marriage, i found myself frequently publicly crying. now i think you know this about me, i'm not a big weeper and i Hate crying in front of people, and considering that i feel sort of ambivalent about legal marriage to begin with i don't know where those tears come from. i guess probably my ambivalence over legal marriage is superseded by my shock at the vitriolic hate speech that comes from the other side (that video is appalling, by the way), and the injustice and inhumanity of separating people out for persecution. i spent a good part of my life growing up in a little town in idaho (maybe if the trend continues idaho will be next to get marriage rights...haha), which was notorious for being home to the aryan nations headquarters, so i think i have a sort of visceral reaction to hate and persecution that rises up sometimes in a way i can't really control or explain. also, my father is a wedding minister (in hawai'i) and i grew up experiencing his beautiful ceremonies and witnessing the love and connection between people in their moment of certainty and commitment. and i think this gave me a real appreciation for the ceremonial aspect of marriage. in fact, i performed my first marriage (a gay one, at that) as a deputy marriage councilor this summer for two of my closest friends. and i have to say, it's a beautiful thing. i maybe even cried a little. great post, megan.
i tend to agree with you that folding queer relationships into the marriage paradigm is perpetuating a pretty messed up economic system that’s generally keeping us all down. but i’ve been surprised over the years to find how emotionally impacted i am about the gay marriage issue. i’ve coincidentally lived in most of the states that have or are considering gay marriage: massachusetts, connecticut, californina, vermont almost has marriage and i kinda lived there for a while, and of course hawai’i thought about it back in the day. anyway, living in those states at the time they were considering gay marriage, i found myself frequently publicly crying. now i think you know this about me, i’m not a big weeper and i Hate crying in front of people, and considering that i feel sort of ambivalent about legal marriage to begin with i don’t know where those tears come from.
i guess probably my ambivalence over legal marriage is superseded by my shock at the vitriolic hate speech that comes from the other side (that video is appalling, by the way), and the injustice and inhumanity of separating people out for persecution. i spent a good part of my life growing up in a little town in idaho (maybe if the trend continues idaho will be next to get marriage rights…haha), which was notorious for being home to the aryan nations headquarters, so i think i have a sort of visceral reaction to hate and persecution that rises up sometimes in a way i can’t really control or explain.
also, my father is a wedding minister (in hawai’i) and i grew up experiencing his beautiful ceremonies and witnessing the love and connection between people in their moment of certainty and commitment. and i think this gave me a real appreciation for the ceremonial aspect of marriage. in fact, i performed my first marriage (a gay one, at that) as a deputy marriage councilor this summer for two of my closest friends. and i have to say, it’s a beautiful thing. i maybe even cried a little.

]]> By: Tiffany http://flexibletension.wordpress.com/2008/10/28/my-thoughts-on-the-whole-gay-marriage-issue/#comment-28 Tiffany Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:06:57 +0000 http://flexibletension.wordpress.com/?p=32#comment-28 Very articulate and well put. Very articulate and well put.

]]> By: sulochanosho http://flexibletension.wordpress.com/2008/10/28/my-thoughts-on-the-whole-gay-marriage-issue/#comment-26 sulochanosho Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:30:30 +0000 http://flexibletension.wordpress.com/?p=32#comment-26 Gay marriage is the biggest scam and shame on the face of the humanity. It's true now more and more countries and governments are legalizing the gay sex. They have their own reasons and compulsions. Scientists say they (gays) are genetically inclined to do so. The bigger and primary question is our right perspective about this natural biological act of 'sex', certainly there is no theology in it. The humanity has been pushed into all kinds of perversions, pollutions and dry sermons thanks to establishments of vested religions, vested interests of our political system, and theology of suppression and sin. Todya the mankind is literally chained. There's no much hope or way out. Gay sex is one of the ill consequences of our rotten and suppressing system. Sex is being played out quite out of proportion; sex being a simple reproductive act. Gay marriage is the biggest scam and shame on the face of the humanity.

It’s true now more and more countries and governments are legalizing the gay sex. They have their own reasons and compulsions. Scientists say they (gays) are genetically inclined to do so.

The bigger and primary question is our right perspective about this natural biological act of ’sex’, certainly there is no theology in it. The humanity has been pushed into all kinds of perversions, pollutions and dry sermons thanks to establishments of vested religions, vested interests of our political system, and theology of suppression and sin.

Todya the mankind is literally chained. There’s no much hope or way out. Gay sex is one of the ill consequences of our rotten and suppressing system.

Sex is being played out quite out of proportion; sex being a simple reproductive act.

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